Why I hate dogs [warning: the feces missed the rotary fan blades]
I married Erin. Erin has a dog. Therefore I have a dog. But, if you ask me, or if you ask the dog, the dog belongs to Erin. I think it’s because the dog, whose name is Kelsey, has bonded with her a lot more than he was willing to do with me. Also, when I met him, I was openly hostile toward dogs, even to the point of kicking them out of bed and chuckling at the sack-of-potatoes sound they made when they hit the floor. It was a multisyllabic sound.
Anyway, for some reason I am the one who ends up bathing Kelsey most frequently. I don’t know why I do it. I think it’s because I believe dogs to be unclean animals, and I would rather live with a clean dog than with a dirty dog.
I also wash the dog to show Erin that although I don’t prefer dogs, I can still be a good husband by keeping her dog clean.
Erin told me today that Kelsey really needed a bath. Apparently, he had become contaminated or infested, or something. He hadn’t been eating, and his fur didn’t feel quite right.
Erin brought the dog to the bathroom. I took the handheld shower head I just installed, and set it on the lowest flow setting. I let it rain on the dog for a bit, then shampooed him for a few minutes, then rinsed him. He was most upset. His whimpers of high drama elicited a fit of barks from other dogs in the neighborhood.
So it was time to let him out of the tub. Erin handed me the towel, and I started to dry Kelsey. He shook himself frantically trying to shake off the water, as instinct dictated, and suddenly the room was a smelly brown storm of poo shaking out of his little doggie butt. It was disgusting. I had to tell him to stop shaking, but he wouldn’t. He kept trying to shake off the water, but instead (or in addition), he shook out all his bad poo. Then Erin let him outside and he pooped some more. It was downright disturbing.
After the shock had left me, I surveyed the bathroom. There was dog poop all over the walls, the sink cabinet, the shower curtain, and probably also the ceiling. I think it missed the rotary fan, robbing me of the seeing one of the ultimate improbable cliches of all time.
But now he’s a happy dog again. He’s more himself.
The next time he stops eating, I am wearing a radiation suit and a gas mask.
Jason, I cannot stop laughing. I can just picture you dealing with this sh*t everywhere! I feel so bad for Kelsey b/c that must have been scary for him, but picturing you clean up the “poo”, well, that needed some picures to go along with your story. LOL : )
Comment by Janice — July 22, 2005 @ 9:55 am
Jason clean it??? No, that was my job since he had to live through the horror of flying poop. I just sent him to the store to get the Nature’s Miracle.
Comment by Erin — July 22, 2005 @ 12:42 pm
My girlfriend’s house is out in the country. They have a big, wonderful back yard that you could do so many wonderful things in. But her family collects pets like some people collect postage stamps, so they now have four dogs. They spend most of their time in the yard, which basically means that no one can really do anything in the back yard because the damn place is full of “land mines”.
And this is why I tell my girlfriend “I hate dogs”. When cat’s poop, it’s careful, controlled, and often out of the way. It’s like they’re hiding it from you. Dogs, on the other hand, practically present you with it. It’s like they’re saying “Do you like what I did with the entire back yard? I tried to cover ever square foot possible so you’ll never we without some.”
Comment by Ilan Volow — July 22, 2005 @ 7:24 pm
LOL
Comment by kmommer — July 22, 2005 @ 9:23 pm
Oh dear!!
Comment by Amanda — July 25, 2005 @ 12:02 pm
Funny story!
TV advertisers want you to have dogs, the more and the bigger the better, to go with that SUV you can’t do without. Me, I do my part for the environment by volunteering spaying/neutering services.
Comment by Tom — January 2, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Jason, I’m right there with you. I married Leslie. Leslie has an Irish Setter named Ralph. Ralph is blind in one eye, has epilepsy and a host of other problems to boot. He has a great disposition however we presently spend $140 a month for all of his prescriptions….He is a great dog. I just wanted you to know that I know where you are coming from…..Jim
Comment by James Wayt — July 14, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
i hate dogs soo much….
Comment by marie — August 28, 2007 @ 4:18 am
my friend thinks im a monster for hating both cats and dogs!……. shes weird i looked at this pup at the mall that she wanted to she the ugly thing it was a pug ugly looking thing and it was a 1,000 dollers who in the right state of mind would buy that STOP LIKING DOGS THERE TERRIBLE
ok mabey i like them a little
Comment by marie — August 28, 2007 @ 4:23 am
I hate dogs beyond all reason!! My husband has a Great Dane and I hate it lol. Sadly… he decided to get dogs even when I told him that it was a fact that hated dogs… lol no I have to live with a big giant stinky dog for at least 10 or 12 years…. well ya know whatever its life expectancy is!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Jessica — September 10, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
Jessica, I totally understand your tragedy. My husband has a dog and I hate him. He stinks, leaves hear everywhere and it’s sooo needy. If my husband goes to the bathroom at 3 am the dogs has to go w/ him. On top of that, he shares the “custody” of this dog w/ his ex and I have to put up with the “I miss him” phone calls, e-mails, visitation schedule etc. How ridiculous. We’ve been married for a year and we have talked about divorce more than 3 times, because he takes his dog over me. Fortunately, the dog is 12 years old and will be gone soon. I will keep my fingers crossed…if I don’t divorce first.
Comment by Lucia — November 30, 2007 @ 8:39 am
oMG!!! u guys sukk! dogs r awesome! fuk those who r fukin hating on dogs! shiet. u guys…UGH!
Comment by Jessica Alba :D — January 4, 2008 @ 3:15 am
heyy its me agen!>:O everybody! stop hating dogs.dey r MAN’S BEST FRIEND!!!! k?? so no shit talking ’bout dem… aight? ill be checking this website evry week and ill be back!!! >: D beware shit talkers!!! beware!
Comment by Jessica Alba :D — January 4, 2008 @ 3:23 am
im watchin all ya’ll!! >8 [ NO SHIT TALKING!!!!!!! ‘BOUT DOGS! DEY R GREAT!!!
Comment by Jessica Alba :D — January 4, 2008 @ 3:25 am
IF ANY OF U GUYS DO, ILL BUST UR ASS CUZ I COULD JUST TRACK UR SORRY ASS DOWN…I BET UR SHAKING IN UR LITTLE BOOTS! DNT MESS W/ DOGS!! >:O
Comment by Jessica Alba :D — January 4, 2008 @ 3:27 am
DONT MESS W/ DEM! LIKE I SED B4! IM GONNA TRACK U DOWN!!! >:D CANT WAIT!!!!
Comment by Jessica Alba :D — January 4, 2008 @ 3:29 am
DONT MESS W/ DEMS!!! REMEMBER ILL TRACK U DOWN!>:D HAHA CANT WAIT TO BEAT UR GUYS ASS UPS!!
Comment by Jessica Alba :D — January 4, 2008 @ 3:31 am
I’m with all the dog haters of this world. I got married in March ‘07. My husband had a 10 year old golden retriever. In Feb. ‘07 we discovered he had cancer. I had to sleep in another bed on several occaisions for him to be in my bed. He died in late March. Before he was dead, my husband was already looking for a replacement. In July he brought the little dear home. And it has been hell ever since. Today, I had to clean up his puke from where he chewed up and ate a plastic bottle. Nearly throwing up myself from the smell. I warned him not to get another dog because it would cause problems for us. I’m at the point I want to move to my own place and forget this part of my life ever happened. Dogs are nasty, stinky, smelly animals and are definitely not made to live inside. The hair alone is enough to drive a person crazy. It’s everywhere. It’s on the stove and I hope I’ve never eaten any of it. Not to mention the piles and piles of poo in the yard. This was not my agreement when I married. I would rather live alone.
Comment by Kathy — January 5, 2008 @ 9:24 am
I really don’t like dogs at all. My husband really wanted a Labrador puppy to add to our Family (plus our three kids ages 6,5 and 4), Like that is not enough to do. I am at home with the 4 month old puppy all day and he drives me NUTS!! He cries ,poops where he wants, (instead where we are training him) tries to bite the kids ,(for puppy fun, but not fun when the kids cry), Stinks, sheds very dirty outside, TEARS UP everything ugggg. I never grew up with pups, just had a few older dogs and I am hating every minute of this 15 more years of this??? I hope not, I agree with you Haters!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Noel — January 5, 2008 @ 10:34 pm
AAAAH my family just got a dog. A damned ugly one, too; no idea why they got such an ugly one. Luckily, I won’t be there too often, because I’m in college. I guess it’ll give me an incentive to do something with my summers besides sit around the house.
Jessica Alba could maybe give us a reason why dogs are good, and should not in fact be collected and exported to Antarctica. Besides “dey r MAN’S BEST FRIEND!!!!” which isn’t a fact, just a tired and damn idiotic cliché.
(I’m a stranger, found this blog googling “hate dogs”)
Comment by Chuck — January 8, 2008 @ 4:24 pm
its bad. it was bad. now its really bad. why do i have to watch all these friggin DOG commercials? i just wanna barf when i hear someone refer to their dog as their ‘kid’ :)) get a grip, people! dogs are not short ppl in fur suits. they are animals!!! *snicker* what would you do if a person pooped in your yard and tore up paper? what mentality are these dog people anyway? a dog that doesnt stink? oh puhh leeze. if you can stand that wet dog smell then your house most likely smells like that too.
please please people, spay and neuter!!!
Comment by Adrian — January 21, 2008 @ 11:01 am
I’m glad to know that I am not the only person who does not like dogs. I would never be cruel to a dog, or any other animal for that matter, but it really makes me sick the way people act over dogs. I have even given up lifelong friendships, because they always brought their dogs whenever they came to visit, letting them on the furniture, and even getting dishes out of my cabinets to feed them. The problem is that in today’s society, it is politically incorrect Not to like dogs. If you want to lose a friend or even a potential friend, then just tell them that you don’t like dogs, and they are gone. Well, I say good riddance. I’d rather live in a clean house alone, than to have to put up with people who insist on bringing their nasty, slobbering, hair shedding, pooping dogs to my house. If I wanted a dog, I would have one. It looks like people would realize this, and leave their dogs at home.
Comment by Mavrie — January 27, 2008 @ 4:47 pm
http://www.dogassault.com/
Jason this site has the reason that dogs and lout dog owners are bad news…
Check it out and pass it on if you agree
Cheers!
Chanchu
Comment by Chanchu — February 29, 2008 @ 10:25 pm
First, I don’t know if it’s love or insanity but I think marrying someone who has a dog and you hate dogs is insane, yet you must really love them to put up with all that smelly dog mess. I had one boyfriend once who had a dog with an ex-wife who also wanted visitation. He treated his dog better than me and that was the end of that. I will NEVER in my life date another man with a dog. To me this is a sign they just want another dog to yell commands to and expect to be docile and subservient and dependent on them. PUKE. Most importantly, I’m tired of ALL the bad dog owners out there who allow their dogs to bark, bite, kill and shit all over the world and I just found a great site called www.dogassault.com
Comment by Candace — February 29, 2008 @ 11:07 pm
Very interesting site, Candace. I just wish that everyone would read it, especially dog owners. Thank you for posting it.
Comment by Mavrie — March 10, 2008 @ 6:11 am
I am so glad that I am not the only person who finds that dog lovers feel that everyone in this world should love their pets - Why? I can’t stand dogs coming into my yard and defecating in my lawn. I stopped inviting my daughter’s friend because everytime the mother would come to pick her up from my house she would let her dog out of her car to poop in my lawn - doesn’t this woman have a brain? I had a nasty neighbor in the last place I lived - she was such a lazy bitch she would let her dog out and he would walk over everyday and pee in my grass - it got so bad that I could not let my son play soccer in our own lawn as there were piles of doog poo everywhere - All dog owners should be held responsible for cleaning up after their nasty aniumals.
Comment by Candy — April 10, 2008 @ 1:03 pm
I LOATHE dogs now. Hate them. I hate their owners too. Filthy fucking beasts causing me to stew in their filth too. I live with a double inbred retarded piece of shit asshole dog whose throat I love to cut with a fillet knife and laugh as it bleeds to death. Right now, it has a pus filled boil on its asshole that it’s licking with great excitement as it climbs on my sitting space and leaves wet pus lick spots all over the floor. They’re useless. Maybe great in the day for hunting, sheperding, etc. but not evem good for food anymore. I really, really, really, really, really hate the mother fuckers. All dogs must die!
Comment by Jim — April 24, 2008 @ 7:37 pm
I lost my 14 year best friend because he has two giant dogs that make his house smell like feces. I can never visit him again because of it.
I think this qualifies as a genuine American “tragedy” by very definition.
Comment by Chris — May 11, 2008 @ 5:44 pm
Dude…you’re a better person than I am. You must love her, love her, love her. That is the most disgusting thing I’ve heard in a long time. Bathing is one thing…the poop issue—OMG. She would be on her own with that crapp–quite literally.
That’s why I hate dogs. I’ve had an accident with my cats once or twice, but even at that, nothing was ever shaking and leaking out of my cats’ butts. The thought of an animal having “anal glands” that have to be expelled if blocked just repulses me.
Kudos to you for being such a loving spouse…personally, I would have left as soon as I found out there was a dog in the equation.
Comment by HL — May 18, 2008 @ 5:01 pm
I found it absolutely disgusting when hollywood made those stupid movies named “Beethoven.” What a terrible insult to the Great Master Composer!!
Comment by JMB — May 24, 2008 @ 8:36 am
I agree with all the dog haters. My girlfriend has a bad tempered and nasty little dog. She gets mad when I call it ‘it’ so sometimes I just call it dog. She doesn’t like when I call it’s cage a cage - she thinks its the ‘dogs room’.
The thing stinks and humps her leg all the time to which she sternly says baaaa to it - which of course does nothing. I told her to rap it on the head when it does that and in spite of being incredibly stupid it will eventually get the idea.
Maybe I should write a dog training book.
Comment by MC — June 3, 2008 @ 12:30 pm
I hate dog owners! Why do they think that picking it up after the dog craps on my lawn make it OK? How about if I crap on your sofa and pick it up when I’m done. Keep the dog in your yard and if it can’t get enough exercise there move to a bigger place. Don’t use my yard as a toilet for your dog.
Comment by PCM — June 4, 2008 @ 6:58 am
Oh my. These could be my “hate my dog” stories. I have been made to feel like a criminal. Won’t go into detail here but got a dog from a shelter — first dog ever — HUGE mistake. I want to get rid of this — dog is a maniac and keeps getting worms!!! Short of tearing out every living thing in the yard and paving the whole thing with cement and standing near dog when she poops so she doesn’t eat her OWN, I will always have health issues, at the very least, with this animal. And that doesn’t even touch the behavior issues like nipping and barking and chewing — fun, eh? Thanks, but no thanks. I am getting rid of this dog after two months of hell with her.
Comment by Courtney — June 8, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
I detest dogs. They smell, you have to pick up after you
“walk” them, and they want to lick you after they lick their ass. NO thanks. I refuse to visit anyone who has a dog.
Why do commercials show people letting their dogs lick them on the mouth? Dog lovers are not people with whom I would have anything in common.
Comment by naoma — July 5, 2008 @ 9:02 am
I had a border collie when I was younger. Sweet dog and so protective. But now, I hate dogs and cats. I hate middle of the night barking, stinky, hairy, butt licking dogs the most. I hate staying in hotels that let dogs sleep in the bed that I’m going to be sleeping in. In addition to asking for a nonsmoking room, now I have to ask for a “pet free” room. I have stopped going to a friends house because she has a new dog…a slobbering bassett hound. I dream of shooting the dog next door that barks for hours in the middle of the night. Are the owners deaf? Why don’t they bring their dog inside? I hate the dog that attacked my 12 year old nephew last month and caused him to have over 25 stitches in the top of his head. What was my nephew doing? Walking home from the swimming pool, minding his own business and the dog attacked. According to the owner, this dog loves everyone and would never do anything like that! Yeah, right… put that dog to sleep! I hate the 2 dogs that live across the street and wander into my yard and bark and growl at me while I’m on my porch. We have a leash law - put those dogs on a leash or put those owners in jail! I hate the dog that chased me down the street. I called the dog pound on them. And to finish off this tirade, I hate the dogs that chase my car every morning on my way to taking my son to school. Just a few months ago, I made a decision to call the animal control because one of those dogs was going to cause an accident- chasing cars that were going 45 mph. Sure enough on my way back home from school, as I was slowing down to get the house number off the mail box, one of the dogs ran out in front of my SUV and I ran over it. I pulled over and the dog was whimpering. As I was calling information for animal control, a man in a pick-up came up to my window and told me he would help me put that dog in the back of my SUV so I could take it to the vet. NO WAY was that bloody thing getting into my vehicle. He told me it was against the law to leave a dog on the side of the road. WRONG! Not only did I leave it, but I didn’t call animal control either!!!!!!!!!! These are dogs, people - DOGS! They aren’t humans!
Comment by nan — July 22, 2008 @ 9:59 pm
I LOST MY GIRLFRIEND BECAUSE OF HER DOG
… I want to be clear: I do like animals. True, I like some species more, some less. Dogs are not my favourite species, but I am happy with them as long as they don’t cause any trouble to me. The sad fact of my life is that they have always been causing problems. Wherever I moved, the dogs started to appear like mushrooms in the neighbourhood. One neighbour had 7 dogs in kennels at a time and they were barking all the time. I couldn’t sleep (ear plugs didn’t work), I couldn’t study, I couldn’t work, I simply didn’t enjoy my life.
I read with interest some of the contributions above describing their problems with their partner’s dogs. … I had a gorgeous and loving girlfriend. We broke up. It was her to suggest that we are not compatible and we should split up. The reason was that I didn’t let her dog in my house. (He could have stayed in my fenced garden but that argument wasn’t strong enough). In fact, the ‘dog issue’ had been with us for a while. I didn’t want a dog and she not only wanted one but wanted to have it in the house. However minor this issue may seem to you, it was a life-style incopmatibility and none of us would be happy in marriage with/without a dog in the house. For me, it was also a matter of freedom and priorities. She would sacrifice her time and freedom of movement for the dog, I wouldn’t. She treated her (adult) dog better than she was treating her dad, kissing it, cuddling with it, treating it like a baby. I felt quite stupid sitting there for 5 mins watching her giving way to her emotions toward the dog and ignoring me alltogether. … She even slept with her dog!
I read that 75% of American women, who own a dog, would choose the dog rather than their husband, if they were to choose between the two! I am not an American but I bet this is true in general. That is very sad!
WHO ARE DOG LOVERS? I think most dog lovers are people who feel INSECURE, for one reason or another. The dog, especially if it’s a big dog, will complement that part of their personality that they strive for. Some people like the feeling of CONTROL over their dog. Again, by that they compensate for something in their personality. They need someone that depends on them. Some people like to vent their feeling of love in a childish way and that would be strange, if they were doing it to adult humans. They think it is acceptable, if they do it to animals though and that’s why they do it. Overall, dogs help them to buffer their ‘weaknesses’ and unfortunately, it’s us, their relatives, friends, and neighbours, who have to bear with it.
Comment by Lu — July 27, 2008 @ 2:20 pm
My god, you people are insane! Especially “Nan”.
How about actually dealing with and sucking up your “dog” issues, instead of crying over them?
You guys are pathetic.
Some men, (and women, pardon the expression) you turned out to be.
Comment by joe — July 31, 2008 @ 10:09 pm
I agree with all the dog haters of the world. They are “cute” but annoying. We just got a lab puppy and apparently they don’t care who they bite where they poop or pee and how loud they bark. Seriously want to shoot this dog!!! My kids have become attached so how do I get rid of it? Also, been noticing worms in his poo but the vet says everything is fine since we are deworming him!! Anybody want him? He’s FREE, no charge just get him out of my house.
Comment by Amy — August 12, 2008 @ 8:27 am
I guess it’s not politically correct Not to like dogs, but I’m not politically correct yet.
Comment by Marie — August 12, 2008 @ 11:13 am
Took dog on vacation against my better judgment. Boyfriend insisted on it — went to the mountains of Northern Calif — lakes nearby. Really nice place; stayed in condo that allowed pets. He drove — dog got fur all over the entire interior of his car and even steam cleaning has not removed it. Ha.
That dog friendly condo meant many dogs had peed and pooped in the unit before us. So five minutes in and my dog pees in entry hall!!! And then would not pee when outside on walks at all — held it for nearly two days except for a couple of other indoor peeing episodes! And the pooping — don’t get me started — got backed up for days and then of course had the runs; could’ve been change of locale, anxiety, who knows? Dog trainer said this is “normal.” Normal for who? What kind of vacation is this?
We spent the better part of the week up there cleaning and scrubbing the pee and poop from carpets, balcony, driveways, etc. Got yelled at by condo manager for letting dog (finally) pee on grass near “office.” Well, that’s where they all wanted to pee!!! And going into the “woods” was not a good option as there were bears around. Dog saw one bear and growled; bear made a run for it. Smart bear.
Words of advice, do NOT, EVER, take a dog on “vacation.” It will be no vacation at all. Boyfriend insists dog had a good time. How would he KNOW? Did the dog speak to him about it? I need to break up with this idiot and get rid of dog. Boyfriend, by the way, claims he cannot have dog at his place as he lives in an apartment. Oh yeah, well they do PERMIT dogs there. He is just too lazy to walk the thing all the time. At my place, dog has a yard, and what a mess that yard is — disgusting. This is the dog’s property and he is in charge — I’m lucky dog permits me to live here at all I guess.
Comment by Carol — September 11, 2008 @ 10:57 am
Wow, for those of you who married someone with a dog, a totally feel your pain! My husband has a dog from his first marriage, and while I didn’t used to hate dogs, I sure do after having to live with this one!!! It is 90 lbs of stupid, smells like it just took a crap all over itself even after we bathe it, and sheds more and makes WAY more mess than all 3 of our cats combined. Let me tell you, there is no such thing as a free dog. This “free” dog has cost my husband (and by default me) AT LEAST $10,000 in vet bills so far, and has - at the age of 9 - undergone more surgeries than my 94 year old grandmother. That’s not to mention all the money we have had to shell out for food, toys, and damage to the house, furniture, yard and both of our vehicles as a result of this thing. And what do we get out of it?!?! Well, let’s see, I’ve gained 15 pounds from inactivity because every time I want to go for a walk or hike my husband insists the stupid thing has to come with us, and frankly I’d rather gain weight or join a gym than listen to it whine and bark at the top of its lungs the whole damn walk while strangers stare at us wondering why the dog is so old and still acts like such a moron. My husband simply will not kennel it when we go away, so I get to spend every vacation babysitting the damn thing and not enjoying myself. Not to mention I get to work all day, then come home and clean up all its hair, dirt, slobber and other disgusting bodily fluids. The thing is only allowed up on 1 piece of furniture in the living room (which I will burn once it is gone) and it loves to hop up and lick its ass over and over while we eat on the couch. Thanks for the show. Did I mention that it has this disgusting, oozing growth protruding from its ass that the vet says is “normal”? If I so much as look at it (the growth or the dog) I’m instantly nauseous. Bottom line: if you want to spend 10-15 years with a whiny, mindless, pathetically needy/dependent, smelly, ugly animal attached to your hip and enjoy living in filth, then a dog is for you. Otherwise, I don’t recommend it.
Comment by Sandy — October 1, 2008 @ 3:29 pm
One of my favorite sayings about dogs (which, see
above, I detest) is that their tongue (which licks your
mouth) is their wash cloth as well as their toilet paper.
Now, doesn’t that make you feel better. I refuse
to stay in a hotel that admits pets and will not
visit anyone who has a dog in the home.
Comment by naoma — November 27, 2008 @ 2:54 pm
I agree about the aggravation, filth and expense of owning a dog. I got a dog from a shelter 10 months ago and my life has gone downhill since. The house is always a mess, she has peed numerous times, has been sick costing me thousands in vet bills — even had an MRI and spinal tap! She contracted Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever from the backyard — in Los Angeles!!! I feel trapped by this animal who is bossy, difficult, and most of all, filthy. I never let her get that tongue near my face, ever. Yecchh! She sleeps on floor or outside only — none of this sleeping in the bed nonsense for me. I will never understand these dog crazed people who treat animals like people, or better! My boyfriend loves the dog much more than me, and the relationship is about to end. I want MY life back and though he ‘could’ take the dog to his house, he always has excuses as to why he thinks he can’t. Excuses, just poor excuses. I may just turn her back to a shelter one of these days. I suffer sleepless nights galore and never seem to leave the house for more than a couple of hours. I feel like a prisoner. Enough already — sorry for the venting — I just can’t take it anymore and truly realize why some people “hate” dogs. I have become one of them!
Comment by Courtney — February 27, 2009 @ 11:13 am
When my ex-girlfriend said “I can’t imagine my life without a dog”, I thought “I can imagine our life WITH a dog”. Now I see I was wrong. What most people here describe is actually even WORSE than what I imagined!
Comment by Lu — March 2, 2009 @ 12:02 pm